14. Shelby Basciano

Dr. Debi Lynes speaks with Shelby Basciano  about Occupational Therapy

(Duration: 35 minutes 31 seconds)

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Ask your doctor for a prescription for an occupational therapist to come and do a home visit and a walkthrough.

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Debi Lynes (00:03): Hi and welcome to aging in place for every stage in life. What if you could visit or have a home that would accommodate anyone at any age, any physical ability at any time? How cool would that be? That’s what we’re doing here at aging in place. Why me? Because I’m a doctor of psychology and I specialize in physical spaces in health and wellness. Also. I love designing with intent at any age. Why now? Because we the baby boomers want to age in place gracefully and we want our families around us as much as we can. And why you the audience? Because we want you to experience what it’s like to have a home that’s safe, aesthetically pleasing, and that you can live in at any age with any ability at any time. I’d like to introduce you now to Aging in Place Podcast for every stage in life.

Debi Lynes (01:04): Hi and welcome to Aging in Place Podcast for any stage in life. I’m here today with my friend Shelby Basciano. I’ve actually known Shelby since she was my spinning teacher maybe 20 years ago. So I appreciate you joining us today.

Shelby Basciano (01:18): Hey Debi, how are you?

Debi Lynes (01:21): I’m excited about talking to you. Shelby is a physical fitness guru, but in her professional life, she’s an occupational therapist. And you might be thinking to yourself, an occupational therapist and aging in place for any stage in life, whether you’re a child or middle-aged or an older adult. What does occupational therapy have to do with aging or even aging in your home?

Shelby Basciano (01:46): I’m not sure what if people are familiar with what occupational therapy is.

Debi Lynes (01:50): No, I’d love to start it with you.

Shelby Basciano (01:50): So let me this is what I tell when I do the power hour at the high school this is kind of a definition I get. Occupation: how you occupy your time. That would be the definition. So how do you occupy your time if you’re a baby okay, you poop, you play and then you sleep. You move your fingers, etcetera. So if you have some types of injury or disease process at that age, occupational therapists’ goal is to maximize your independence and wellbeing for whatever stage you’re at with meaningful goals. So, you know, I’m not going to go get a job for a baby because that would make no sense at all. But what we do need is to make sure that the baby can eat properly, sucking properly so they can gain weight and they can get nutrition and thrive. Right? So an occupational therapist is really important for early intervention situations. Okay. And usually it’s really, nowadays they’re really good about identifying babies in the hospital to get that early intervention. But again, that’s why we need access to healthcare. Am I allowed to go political here? We need good access to healthcare so that we can identify things like this early on because the earlier you treat or you start looking at deficits in these performance components is what we call them then the sooner hopefully you can remedy them and the better chance you have of maximizing your potential as a human being and having a meaningful life and an independent life.

Debi Lynes (03:40): Less it would have positive impact if the earlier the intervention is. So we’re speaking to be about babies with occupational therapists, I think. No, I think it’s really, I think it’s really interesting with occupational therapy cause I think it is one of those special days that people really don’t know what it means. You’ve got three teenagers. What would occupational therapy look like for adolescents?

Shelby Basciano (04:02): It could be in a number of different components. I’m going to tell you, if you’re an occupational therapist, you can work in a psychosocial setting.

Debi Lynes (04:14): What does that mean?

Shelby Basciano (04:14): Uh, you know, say a kid is physically appropriate for their age. You’re 15 years old and you’re, you know, you can walk and talk and run and you can do all kinds of things. Your fine motor skills are great. Your handwriting is great. But you’re impulsive in school or you can’t sit still or you have a really hard time processing with the fluorescent lights and the teacher talking and all the things that are going on around you. And OT could come in in a school setting. It’s required by law that they have access to this in public schools.

Debi Lynes (04:53): I didn’t know that.

Shelby Basciano (04:53): Yeah. It doesn’t mean that we have great access all the time, but we do. And you would get an evaluation by an OT and they would, you know, maybe they would say, wow, we have some sensory processing disorders going on here. And a lot of times there’s some easy solutions that maybe seem really simple that the kids can use. I mean, you’ve seen the little cubes, the fidget cubes, you know, that that was really derived from an OT thing so that your, your focus is here and maybe you need pressure in your appropriate receptive, which is your touch. And maybe that’s going to help you to be able to focus and read a book.

Debi Lynes (05:38): That makes sense.

Shelby Basciano (05:39): Some kids, you know, they need a test read to them because visually they have a hard time tracking. I mean, a lot of this stuff, again, if we had addressed it earlier, you may have had a better result by high school, but it doesn’t mean that you’re not a candidate.

Debi Lynes (05:54): I thought the fluorescent were interesting too. I oftentimes see when I go to movies now that there is a warning that if you have seizure disorder or any kind of sensitivity to light, that the flashing light may trigger or cause something which I think is pretty interesting.

Shelby Basciano (06:15): Yeah. Right. It is really interesting and that people are more conscientious. The public is more aware of people that have, I don’t want to say a limitation, but you have something that people are being a little bit more accommodating I guess is what it is.

Debi Lynes (06:30): Exactly, Okay. So now let’s talk about the aging as we get a little bit older. It’s funny cause I’m 66 and I’m noticing now from activities of daily living areas that I’m not a sharp end. I mean I’m not.

Shelby Basciano (06:44): Toileting, I’m just kidding.

Debi Lynes (06:46): Toileting. No, I’m still pretty good at tinkling and toilet is good. But when it comes to things like night the dark, right. I’m much more prone now to put a nightlight and I’m at 66 and nightlight in. I never have had one before.

Shelby Basciano (07:03): Right. Totally a thing and occupational therapists would, if you did a home visit, you would look, and you know what I’m going to say it here in Hilton Head, one thing that I noticed, and again, let me reiterate, I am now a personal trainer and I use all of my skills and I coach, I use them, but I don’t work as an OT anymore. But the thing with a home of L people are very um.

Debi Lynes (07:29): Skeptical to have you here.

Shelby Basciano (07:31): Know, they’re very attached to their decor. So if I tell them, Hey, you got to move a throw rug because it’s a tripping hazard in the middle of the night or because you have a walker now and it’s catching and it’s a high-risk safety risk for fall, they don’t like to take it off. But you know, I will say, you know, you can get better and then, and then maybe we can put them back down. But those are things that I would look from just a, a home of value perspective. Somebody comes home with a walker, you know, they got a new replacement or maybe even a stroke and they’re, you know, move things out of the way. Sometimes with a stroke you are not as aware of your, for instance, your left side, you, you kind of, because of where it happened in the brain, you’re, you’re kind of disregarding that left side. So you tend to run into things so, you know, maybe making a clearer pathway in your household. Another thing that I think is very simple, which would have to do with the aging too, is think about what your priorities are. If you have something that happens to you, whether you’re well or not, you know, if doing your hair wears you out for the whole day because you’re deconditioned, for example, have somebody do your hair. I mean, if you have the access.

Debi Lynes (08:49): I hear what you’re saying.

Shelby Basciano (08:51): Again, if I take it a step in the direction of being a little more having a result from a stroke or something like that. Sure. You know, my father in law, for example, I want somebody to come in and help me. If I have three hours a week of assistance, I want them to do the bathing and the dressing with him because one, it gives him more dignity.

Debi Lynes (09:15): More the physical stuff.

Shelby Basciano (09:17): Yeah. And it wears him out if he tries to do it on his own. I mean, of course, everybody would love to be independent in all facets of activities of daily living. But let’s pick and choose in the beginning, especially what’s important to me and the caregiver or the caregiver has to be part of.

Debi Lynes (09:32): Well, it’s really interesting. I know when my mom was ill, it the, we had someone come in and talk with us exactly an OT talking exactly about what you’re talking about. And she was like, basically, Debi, you all are here for emotional support. You need to get people who know what they’re doing to come in for physical support. And that’s a lot of what you’re talking about and what we’re talking about now, what we’re going to do, shall we, it’s where do I take a quick break? Again, we’re talking about aging in place. But the fun part I think is talking about it for any stage in life. We’ve already talked about babies. I mean, what do you do with one-year-old? You know, what do you do with a teenager? I oftentimes wonder, I had a kid who broke his arm and it was amazing how limited when Brandon broke his arm, how limited he was with activities of daily living, he could barely wash his own hair and I never even thought about it. And then we’re talking about as we get older, so we’ll be right back again here with Shelby Basciano stay with us here on aging in place.

Debi Lynes (10:34): Hi, I’m Dr. Debi Lynes. Design elements are psychologically and physically supportive and conducive to health and wellness. To learn more about what Lynes on Design can do for you, for more information on certified aging in place, and facilitative and supportive design, look for us at lynesondesign.com. That’s L-Y-N-E-S on design dot com.

Debi Lynes (11:00): We are back here on the Aging in Place Podcast for any stage in life. My friend Shelby Basciano who is an occupational therapist. She says she doesn’t do occupational therapy now. She’s a coach and a personal trainer, but can I be really clear? You do occupational therapy with every single treatment intervention and exercise and coaching stuff that you do. And I think that’s part of why you’re here today because for me, you have a much more holistic approach to everything that you do. In other words, I just don’t feel like I’m working a bicep. I feel like I’m kind of contributing to my quality of life.

Shelby Basciano (11:36): Yes. I think that is, I mean, hopefully that’s what I bring to my clients and I really, I think it’s important to look at the whole person and I’m getting in shape another part of occupational therapy. And this would be relate more to the psychosocial aspect that we talked about. I mentioned impulsivity before, might be something you would work on, but also goal setting on goals. You know, what I think is important for you may not be what you think is important for you. So that wouldn’t be a good goal. Whatever I’m coming up with, I have to have it meaningful to you. It has to be measurable. We have to be able to break it down into smaller pieces. So all of this information we can take and apply it to anybody at any age. You know, somebody who’s got dementia. Let’s, what part do we need to work on, you know, let’s goal set. what’s your goal to keep them safe in the house, make sure that they don’t, when they’re in the wandering stage, for example, they’re not going out. And when you go in the water, you know.

Debi Lynes (12:42): When you take a client, what are some of the questions that you do? Ask them as it relates to all of these kinds of things. In other words, if someone comes to you and says, look I’m in a different stage of my life right now. I need to make some changes and adapt and let’s say I may, I am, I’m not an OT client right now. I’m sort of the holistic client. What are you asking that specifically?

Shelby Basciano (13:07): It’s funny you’re asking, cause this has been like an influx recently for me with a few women. I have a, I have I’ll I’m going to be 50 this year. So what I was training like at 20 and 30, it’s completely different. I have a different mindset about it. Not that I, I think that what I was doing was bad necessarily, but I don’t want to do the things that I did before. And I have a lot of women that come to me.

Debi Lynes (13:33): Priorities and goals.

Shelby Basciano (13:34): We talk about priorities and goals and they sometimes can’t. It’s hard for them to articulate it. But then when I sit and say, what’s your goal? And instead of being like, I’m going to lose the last three pounds that I gained there. Like I want to feel better. I want to wake up. I don’t want to feel bad in my body when I wear heels, you know, I don’t want to not be able to walk for three days or.

Debi Lynes (14:00): Well for me at 66, I want to feel strong.

Shelby Basciano (14:02): Right and feel strong and that is definitely a priority for a lot of, I mean, women and men both, but a lot of women and they just, they want to feel more at peace. And I think that the crazy aerobics, insane, bouncy, kill it, you know, kind of mentality, right. We kind of changed that as we get a little older and that I’m not for everybody and it doesn’t work for everybody, but a lot of the people you know, and they, and they maybe don’t think yoga is the right thing for them. So I’m mixing in a little bit of all the disciplines that I’m trained in. And of course, I’m always using OT. We’ll break it down and say, Hey, this week I want you to focus on drinking your water. And that’s it. That’s all you’re going to do. And then mentally, everybody can maybe add into the week. And then next week we’re going to, I’m going to give you four core exercises that you’re going to do every single day that are going to make you feel better after a week. I mean, I don’t think anybody’s ever done them and said, yeah, you’re, you know, you’re wrong. I don’t feel any better.

Debi Lynes (15:08): Do you look at people’s, not just fitness levels, but health I guess health and wellness, when you do begin to strategize or come up with a program for them, do you look at their health and wellness like you do.

Shelby Basciano (15:22): Of course and I look at their activities and what do you want to do? Where, where are you going? Are you still working? Okay. Do you need to have the energy for work? Are you do you travel a lot? Are you caring for an elderly parent? All of these things, you know, really have to have to have a part in whatever the workout plan is. What’s your realistic idea of how much time you can actually spend? And don’t, don’t tell me something that you think I want to hear, like six days a week. They look at me like, is that the right answer? I’m like, hell no. I mean, I go for, I try to get 40 hours a week and I teach three days a week. So you know, I understand and having kids and you’re got a lot of things on your plate. I think you have to really.

Debi Lynes (16:08): Focus. I know I’ve got that. I’ve got a question as my mind is going, my hands are moving too. Like Shelby, I have another question. At any age do you focus on cardio? Is it about strength? Is it now as I’ve gotten older, balance, balance, balance. I find that I’m, I really want to pay more attention to that. Is it, are those things that are important.

Shelby Basciano (16:33): Balance in, you mean, actual physical balance? Like not falling or balance in your life?

Debi Lynes (16:37): Oh, good question. She is good I was actually thinking physical balance.

Shelby Basciano (16:42): Yeah. And say balance. You know, it’s like a little bit, it’s like swimming. If you don’t swim, you don’t get better at swimming. If you don’t, you know, when people say, Oh, I’m not good at yoga, I’m not flexible. Well you haven’t really moved out of the chair in about 15 years or you sit at your desk and you’re always in one position. So I don’t really think I hate, I really don’t like it when people say, Oh, I’m not good at something cause I’m like, well have you tried it? Have you done it? You know, it’s like when the kids say, Oh I don’t like that. You’re like, well try, you did it one time but I do, you have to look at the whole picture and you know what, to relate back to, one of the questions you asked me before my biggest, the way that I can tell somebody who’s improving because I ask a lot of questions in the beginning about if they have a pain. And most people who come to me, I’m going to be honest, they either have a neck thing, they’re like, I just try everything and nothing’s worse. Everything hurts me. And it’s really, I’m getting really depressed because I used to do classes five days a week or whatever. So I, I asked him, okay, when does it hurt? When I get real, I try to get as detailed, Oh well you know what? I was thinking the other day and I say, text me anytime of night. You’re not going to wake me up. Text me when you realize like, Oh when I get up off the couch or when I go to put my arm in my coat, I tell them just text me cause those are the moments in your life. And I write those things down and we work for one to two weeks or whatever we decide and then I go back and I look at those notes and often what’ll happen when something remedies with your body, you’re like, Oh my gosh, I forgot that that was hurting me so badly that it was affecting my ability to put my coat on. So in that is the way that I tried to make it meaningful to them because often I just take, I often, I try to get a quote from them early on or I was only sleeping three hours a night and they’re like, well I don’t know, am I, I don’t know if I’m really improving that much cause you know, you do kind of plateaued. And then I’m like, well do you remember when you came in a month ago and you said you’re only sleeping three hours a month. So those are the things.

Debi Lynes (18:52): Like you said, that are measurable. You set a goal you try to measure it. Well, what’s really interesting about what you’re talking about to me right now is these are activities of daily living that you’re talking about being able to put on your coat without pain. You know, am I slouched over a computer all day? Is that probably the source of my stiffness, soreness, pain, ache.

Shelby Basciano (19:20): Poor posture.

Debi Lynes (19:20): Poor Posture. Yeah. There you go. With your poor posture. Yeah. Shake posture at any age.

Shelby Basciano (19:26): At any age. And as you age, I mean, gravity’s working on us all the time. So let’s fight it a little bit.

Debi Lynes (19:36): Can you give us a sneak? We’ve got 30 seconds or about one minute in our second segment. What looks a posture? Pick her up or for us.

Shelby Basciano (19:44): I use a lot of cuing. I’m going to say one thing. Okay. Imagine somebody put ice down your back. Oh, Oh, Oh, Oh. So you’re sitting at your desk. Somebody put on my back. I mean, hopefully everybody out there listening just sat up and it makes you realize, Oh wow, I was really slashed over even I was doing it.

Debi Lynes (20:06): Okay. I stand your back. Okay, that’s a good one.

Shelby Basciano (20:09): Now my next one I stole from the people from Carla the hairdresser uncross your legs. You really crossing your legs, throws your hips off. And if you’re sitting in a fixed position all the time, you, you really, I mean, I know that’s the polite thing to do ladies from 1950, but let’s, let’s put our feet just flat on the floor and try to sit maybe a little forward on your but bones. Those bones on your sit bones yet. Yup. Okay. So there’s a little.

Debi Lynes (20:41): Are you guys doing this cause I’m doing it cause I like being able to do these things right as we’re sitting. It’s really interesting alright Shelby we were going to take a quick break. Isn’t this fun? You guys are getting all the cool tips. I love this. All right, stay with us. We’ll be right back here on aging in place.

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Debi Lynes (21:33): We are back here on aging in place. Shelby Basciano has joined us. She’s an occupational therapist, a coach and also a personal trainer and she is superior. One of the reasons I love her is she trains people at different ages and different stages in their life. So you’re, you kind of run the gamut. I thought it might be fun since we’re actually sitting in my home office right now doing this podcast to actually walk you through my house. And what makes it interesting for me is I’ve got nine grandchildren’s, I’ve got a lot of little kids and I’ve got my father who’s 91 here also. So there’s a huge multigenerational spread in ages. So, and it’s funny, the reason we’re doing this quite frankly, is when she came in, she saw about four different things I needed to change right off the bat. So I figured we’ll just yeah, right. Well just call me out on it cause I think if I’ve got it, somebody else does too. So we walked in, it was raining, I had a towel at the front door.

Shelby Basciano (22:29): Right. Okay. Wait, let’s start. I’m going to get out of the car. Oh gosh. Okay. I’m getting out of the car. And it’s gravelly. It’s, you know, so again, some of these things I’m saying, I know that people don’t have tons of money to go repave their driveway. That is not what I’m suggesting at all. But pull in, make sure there’s a spot saved where your dad has enough space to open the door. There isn’t any blockade, for example, because he uses a walker. Correct. Right. So, and also, you have to have a caregiver coming in and help him get out. Walking walking, walking, making sure there’s a smooth path or a clear path that he can approach the house. Then you have steps. Again, a ramp is really nice when you can swing it, but a lot of times people, I mean, one, you can’t swing it. And I, I gotta tell you, you can talk to your husband if you look at the building codes is to build an appropriate ramp. I mean, it’s going to take up your whole front yard, probably Hilton Hilton will decline the permit or whatever cause it doesn’t look pretty enough. So you’re gonna just make sure you have a clear pathway. You’re not going to have a lot of potted plants in the way, for example. Or you know, make sure if you can possibly, whenever there’s stairs, have handrails.

Debi Lynes (23:46): Okay, brilliant. Yep.

Shelby Basciano (23:49):Yep. And also, like for example, I have a handrail on the left side of my steps going up into my house, but my father-in-law stroke has affected his left side and he doesn’t really have a use of it. So I’ll see him reaching over with his right hand, which is highly unsafe, right. So we’re like, okay, well we need to add a handrail on the other side. I mean, even item, sometimes the steps are dark in a stairwell. You might want to, if you have those little lights [for each step], relatively inexpensive.

Debi Lynes (24:20): They are like 12 dollars.

Shelby Basciano (24:20): Right. And some of them are motion-sensitive so they can just turn on when you need them.

Debi Lynes (24:26): That’s actually a really good idea.

Shelby Basciano (24:27): Right you come home from nighttime, even all of us can use it, trip up the service sometimes. And I haven’t even had a glass of wine. So you know, like you, it’s dark. You’re like tired from the day. So handrails. Now we’re walking in your house, you threw the towel down. I get it. I have a dog so I always have like a towel to wipe their feet after they run in the yard too. Right. That’s pretty dangerous. You can trip and fall again for somebody with, you know, without any kind of impairment or anything. We’re probably not, you know, changing everything.

Debi Lynes (25:04): Although I laugh when you say that because my dad’s less likely to slip on that cause he’s so aware of it. But the kids Clementine, my little two year old went sliding on it the other day. So I think it is funny how you don’t pay attention. You don’t know what you don’t know. and now all at once from doing the podcast. I feel like, can I way find this way is the lighting right? You know, I noticed not just what I’m doing but what the kids are doing and what my dad still gets really interesting. Okay. So we’re in, we take a left into my kitchen area.

Shelby Basciano (25:38): Yes okay. If you are having issues with strength, upper body strength or you have one arm that’s only working or for example, I have a lady who’s like, I know how bad I’ve gotten, not coming to you for the last month because of holidays, etcetera. She was traveling. I can’t pick up my Pyrex, you know, she has some nested, okay, so what we do is yeah, don’t nest them or only put the one that you use and a lower shelf. Those are just simple. I know it sounds like it’s ‘dumb simple’, but…

Debi Lynes (26:12): It’s not dumb simple.

Shelby Basciano (26:13): You know. If you use something and it’s like, well it goes on the top shelf. Well, it doesn’t have to go on the top. Let’s just reassess. Okay. Stuck on a date, accommodate. Make sure you have a clear working area. You also, you know, as a designer, you know like the triangle, right? Is that what it’s called? You know, make sure that you have.

Debi Lynes (26:38): Have an accessible workspace.

Shelby Basciano (26:39): Right, Accessible workspace. And if you need to, if your’e standing endurance is limited, bring a chair in. I as a trainer would say, Hey, let’s try to build that up. But if we’re being realistic and you’re going to get tired and you’re going to become a fall risk because your legs are fatigued, then let’s bring a chair in and you can sit and peel potatoes or.

Debi Lynes (27:00):

Do you ever do that with people go in and do a home visit and sort of walk and look at their limitations and, and make recommendations?

Shelby Basciano (27:09): Within the scope of my training. I mean, I just do it.

Debi Lynes (27:12): All now for your client.

Shelby Basciano (27:13):  And I’m there training and I say, you know what? If I was you, I would get the wheels off of the desk chair because when you sit down, that chair is going to fly out and you’re not very stable right now anyway. So things like that. I will, I do. I mean, I can’t not do it. I don’t, I can’t not see it. When we, my, my kids and my husband and I took a cruise for the holidays, sitting and watching people, everybody likes to, people watch, I love it. I’m like, Oh, what’s wrong? He’s got like he, he supinates on his right side. But you know, like I’m always kind of analyzing and looking and I wonder what happened or you know, I’m looking at their back. So it is kind of a natural thing for me to do. But as a yes, a thing I would say, you know, get your PT or your OT you can get a prescription for an evaluation from your doctor and a home evaluation is really important.

Debi Lynes (28:07): I think a home evaluation that’s the best takeaway. Get a prescription for that. And let me tell you again, we’re sitting here in my office and as a therapist I have an office that I try to make really comfortable. I noticed the other day I had a couple in here and they weren’t particularly old. They were, you know, my age, little bit younger and they’re rocking chairs and the man really struggled to get out perfectly healthy. But I go ahead. Yeah, look at you and I with our hands.

Shelby Basciano (28:42): And the height of the chair. Right? So like if you have low chairs, like some people have modern like really sharp looking houses but you know like you go to sit down and you know you have something right and you’re like Oh my gosh we’re going to get off. But so living room you’re looking at the chair, make sure the coffee table isn’t right in the middle of the pathway to walk. Little kids, I mean we know if you’ve had kids.

Debi Lynes (29:08): Sharp end.

Shelby Basciano (29:10): Sharp edges. At my house, my nephew got the glue. You know they used to do stitches but now he had to get his forehead glued cause he hit the edge of the table.

Debi Lynes (29:22): Yeah, the glass table. And again with Clementine, it’s funny with Clementine and dad I put the chairs around the corners cause they both inevitably go to that one glass edge corner and hit themselves. I never even thought, I mean in talking about I do it intuitively, but in thinking about it from a safety and an aging in place point of view. It’s actually makes a lot of sense now that we’re talking about height of things. I wonder if a bed is an issue getting in and out of.

Shelby Basciano (29:48): Of 1000%. There’s people who either had the really high beds, which is difficult to get up in, in, and then the really low, you know, the platform beds are kind of popular now. So that can be an issue as well because they, you know, a lot of them don’t need the box spring anymore. So it makes it even lower. It’s just a mattress on the bunky boards or whatever they call them.

Debi Lynes (30:10): Is there a right way to get out of bed? Correct way to get out of bed. I mean, is it more of a rule or, you know, again, I find my dad, I’m struggling to kind of sit up to get out as opposed to if he rolls to his side and.

Shelby Basciano (30:22): I used to have patients that would say, I just can’t, I just hook something to ceiling where I pull up, you know, and they would want to do, they used to have this thing called a trapeze in your hospital bed and you would lift yourself up. But we realized that really that’s not, I’m encouraging you to improve your strength or anything. So really, I mean for somebody who doesn’t have any issues, get out of bed anyway you want to. But otherwise, I want you to roll on your side. I want you to slide your bottom leg and then your left leg. Use your hand to push yourself up. You know, just slow everything down. It’s just taking the time. I mean we know watch kids like when they’re, you’re like just slow down slow down. You know what I mean?

Debi Lynes (31:04): I love it. You know what’s fun about this? I really want to have you back again cause I think it would be fun to even talk about if heaven forbid you fall, what would you do? I think it would be interesting to kind of do a, a podcast or a program on some actual treatments that we can do. So.

Shelby Basciano (31:20): Can I give you one little hint and I’m sorry I spoke over you. Um. I was not a fan of the Apple watch, but you know that if you fall, it has an in a capability where it senses if you fall. And I think it’s such a great tool because so many people don’t want to get the medical alert. They feel like it’s a, yeah, I’ve fallen and I can’t get up. And you’re like, Oh, making fun. Like then you feel like you’re old. I think.

Debi Lynes (31:46): Right exactly.

Shelby Basciano (31:46): Look at it. If you can make that work.

Debi Lynes (31:50): Oh geez. I tell you what you are.

Shelby Basciano (31:52): And I’m not getting paid by Apple.

Debi Lynes (31:54): Well, I hope we are. So there you go. That would be a great thing.

Shelby Basciano (31:57): We would if they want some sponsor.

Debi Lynes (31:59): Exactly exactly, Shelby thank you so much. We’ve learned a lot. Thank you all for joining us here on aging in place for any stage in life.

Shelby Basciano (32:08): My professional name that my business cards have is Shelby Sharp that’s my maiden name. It’s just easier to remember than Basciano although legally I’m Basciano. I work at a beach city fitness and Hilton Head Island. And if you have any questions or you’re interested, you can contact me at ShelbyBasciano@gmail.com or hit me up on the website or Instagram and I’ll get back with you.

Debi Lynes (32:46): I’d like to introduce you to a friend of mine, Tracy. Tracy is naturally curious and always creative. And when we were doing the Aging in Place Podcast, she said there are so many quick tips that I can think of offhand. My response, who knew she’s going to be with us every week, giving us a quick tip and to hint that is a practical application.

Tracy Snelling (33:16): Thanks Debi. Unless you’re being arrested, don’t raise your arms when it comes to aging in place. Remember your home is about functionality and safety everyday use or things you use frequently, especially in the kitchen. Need to be within easy reach. You have countertops for a reason. You may have just had a shoulder surgery or you have a six-year-old who wants a treat after school. You may even have your aging senior just wanting a cup of coffee. Putting things in easy reach will make things easier on all for the aging senior I watch over and for the most part is my research assistant to see if my who knew tips work every week. I placed these coffee cups in a drawer instead of a cabinet. The cups are the right height where they’re easily pulled out from the drawer. And another hint exactly how many coffee cups does a senior really need? Three. the answer is three. The less you store above your head, the less chance of having an accident. Who knew that raising your arms should just be for exercise and not reaching for your cereal bowl.

Debi Lynes (34:25): Probably one of the most fun things I do during this podcast is listening for the takeaways. This is no exception. Talking to Shelby today was a blast for me and I got a lot of practical tips, but the takeaway I want to share with you, the one that resonated with me the most is this: Ask your doctor for a prescription for an occupational therapist to come and do a home visit and a walkthrough. Wow. What a great way to learn some tips for health, wellness, and safety. Thank you all for joining us this week on aging in place for any stage in life.

Henrik de Gyor (35:03): Aging in Place Podcast is hosted by Debi Lynes and produced by Henrik de Gyor. If you have any comments or questions, send an email to debi@aginginplacepodcast.com. we would love to hear from you if you’re interested in advertising or sponsoring this podcast, email us that pr@aginginplacepodcast.com. Thank you for listening to Aging in Place Podcast.

 

11. Deborah Edmondson

Dr. Debi Lynes speaks with Deborah Edmondson from the Coalition for Aging in Place for any stage in life

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Debi Lynes (00:03): Hi and welcome to Aging in Place for every stage in life. What if you could visit or have a home that would accommodate anyone at any age, any physical ability at any time? How cool would that be? That’s what we’re doing here at Aging in Place. Why me? Because I’m a doctor of psychology and I specialize in physical spaces in health and wellness. Also, I love designing with intent at any age. Why now? Because we the baby boomers want to age in place gracefully and we want our families around us as much as we can and why you the audience? Because we want you to experience what it’s like to have a home that’s safe, aesthetically pleasing and that you can live in at any age with any ability at any time. I’d like to introduce you now to Aging in Place Podcast for every stage in life.

Debi Lynes (01:03): Hi and welcome to Aging in Place Podcast for any stage in life. I am thrilled to be talking to a dear friend of mine for about 30 years. Deborah Edmondson, thank you for joining us. It’s ironic and interesting that we are both working in the field of Aging in Place and I am really curious if you will, to talk to us a little bit about what you’re doing right now with Aging in Place, how you got involved in it, and then share with this a bit about the whole process of dealing with seniors.

Deborah Edmondson (01:41): Okay Well, Debi, first, thanks so much for having me. I really am, I’m so thankful to be able to talk about this and share this information. Beaufort County, you know, in South Carolina is one of the richest counties. People love to come here and every time, Businessweek or the New York Times says we’re the best of something, even more people come here. And so we have a lot of seniors that have retired. Some of them have been here for 20, 30 years and they don’t know what their next step is. And some, everybody isn’t suited for a nursing home. Everybody isn’t suited or can afford assisted living. And so our mission at the Coalition for Aging in Place is to help people stay in their homes as long as it’s safe to do so.

Debi Lynes (02:31): So that’s the mission statement. Can I ask you a basic question? What is a coalition and how did Beaufort County formulate a coalition and why?

Deborah Edmondson (02:40): Beaufort County back in the 80s, about 30 years ago had a study called the together for Beaufort Initiative. And in that they identified four components: health, wellness, poverty education and lifestyle. Okay. And so within those components, then they developed certain coalitions that would address the needs within those components.

Debi Lynes (03:09): And so coalitions from my way of thinking are different members of the community in different areas of business that all come together and work as one it rather than independently. So that the line of communication and the message stays on point. Is that a fair way of saying.

Deborah Edmondson (03:32): The message stays on point and it also minimizes duplication of services. So if you’re not duplicating services, then you have the resources to help more people.

Debi Lynes (03:42): It makes perfect sense.

Deborah Edmondson (03:44): And so the Coalition for Aging in Place actually was born out of the poverty initiative because a lot of our seniors are impoverished and that includes a lot of our seniors that live in gated communities.

Debi Lynes (04:01): Interesting.

Deborah Edmondson (04:01): They are literally house poor and cannot afford access to the services that they need.

Debi Lynes (04:10): What have you all identified as some of the voids in the area as far as what seniors need? What are areas that you’re really working toward?

Deborah Edmondson (04:22): Transportation. That is the number one issue. Our seniors can’t get to doctor’s appointments. They can’t get to therapy appointments.

Debi Lynes (04:35): Grocery store?

Deborah Edmondson (04:36): Grocery store, and that really erodes your quality of life if you can’t access services. And so the Coalition for Aging in Place, we’ve been putting these nuggets into the ears of businesses and so it’s not by accident that Publix several years ago started delivering groceries in the Bluffton area.

Debi Lynes (05:01): Interesting.

Deborah Edmondson (05:01): Okay. Because we talk about these things and we communicated to the greater public.

Debi Lynes (05:07): How does it, how does it look? What’s a typical, do you meet monthly? Do you meet quarterly?

Deborah Edmondson (05:11): We meet once a month

Debi Lynes (05:13): Okay, what does that look like?

Deborah Edmondson (05:14): That looks like anywhere from five to 20 people that are from different organizations. They could be from hospice, they can be from Palmetto breeze, they can be from our area office on aging. The hospitals are involved. Assisted living facilities are involved and we all get together and we talk about what we have going on. There were certain agenda items that we want to get through that focus on our initiatives.

Debi Lynes (05:43):

Such as.

Deborah Edmondson (05:45): Who can get me into some communities to talk to developing a village that makes.

Debi Lynes (05:51): Now, what’s a village?

Deborah Edmondson (05:52): A village is where neighbors are helping neighbors. Wow. They are contained within a community and they will help people who need the services. Transportation, which is all volunteer-driven. I mean volunteer to the point in their personal car. We’ll help them with getting groceries, take them to doctor’s appointments. They’ll also come in, they’ll also come in. You need light bulbs changed too high for you to get to. You need somebody to maybe just do some light cleaning. Maybe you have meals delivered, but you can’t heat them up. Somebody will come by and help you. Socialization. Our seniors get isolated. They don’t have anybody to socialize with. And so some of the villages have opportunities to take seniors to places where they can have activities that they normally wouldn’t have gone to.

Debi Lynes (06:50): You know, we’re talking about this in South Carolina and Hilton Head specifically in the low country. But this model you said actually came from Massachusetts and it’s kind of generalizable throughout the country, which is why we thought it would be such an interesting topic. I just had no idea how the concept of villages, where did that come from or why the need for that specifically

Deborah Edmondson (07:18): The need for the village specifically came about in trying to create the structure so to speak.

Debi Lynes (07:25): Infrastructure.

Deborah Edmondson (07:25): That will allow people to stay in their homes. And in order for people to be able to stay in their homes, there has to be someone who can help them out with services and the same services that we talk about.

Debi Lynes (07:38): And so what I hear you say and tell me, Deb, we’re fine, right? Let’s say I live here. I live in an area called Point Comfort and it’s a community. So basically what you’re saying is rather than calling someone in Bluffton to come take me to a doctor’s appointment, if I can find folks that are within my neighborhood that I know and feel comfortable with. Ah.

Deborah Edmondson (08:00): Exactly. It’s less expensive than, you know, seniors lately have been calling Uber. Oh, that can get to be very expensive.

Debi Lynes (08:09): I know.

Deborah Edmondson (08:10): But if there’s a structure within your community, you get into the doctor in the grocery store for free.

Debi Lynes (08:16): With people I know.

Deborah Edmondson (08:18): With people, you know.

Debi Lynes (08:19): And I think that’s really important. My dad lives with us and I know he’s a lot more hesitant to go with people. He doesn’t know someone who would be likely to know. Exactly. Oh my gosh. Okay. This is absolutely brilliant. How long have you been working with Aging in Place?

Deborah Edmondson (08:37): I’ve been working with Aging in Place now for seven years. It’s been seven years because I started out basically being not only a facilitator for the Aging in Place Coalition, but what we call a village developer. That’s my goal, to try get communities to develop villages throughout the County because they have to be done a community at a time, you know, they won’t be a village for the County. So we have three that are South of the broad and for those that don’t know our geography, we have this huge river that separates us. And so South of the broad includes Hilton Head [Island] and Bluffton. And then we have one that is North at the Broad in the Sheldon area.

Debi Lynes (09:25): Oh interesting.

Deborah Edmondson (09:25): And because the communities are different, each of the villages are different in the services that they offer because North of the broad happens to be one of our more impoverished areas in the County. And so that village takes surveys of seniors, they go in and do assessments, see what they need, and then they try to provide them with some minor home repair or helping them get their home ready for a senior to live in it, you know, rails and the bathrooms. Wider entrance ways for wheelchairs, things like that.

Debi Lynes (10:05): This is what we’re going to take a break and this is sort of what I’d like to touch on in the next segment that we’re doing is transportation is huge. But I’d like to talk about some of the other things that have been identified as challenges for seniors. So stay with us. There’s more to come here on aging in place. Podcast. Hi, I’m Dr. Debi. Lynes. Design elements are psychologically and physically supportive and conducive to health and wellness. To learn more about what Lynes on Design can do for you, for more information on certified aging in place and facilitative and supportive design, look for us at lynesondesign.com. That’s L-Y-N-E-S on design dot com.

Debi Lynes (10:30): We are back here on aging in place. We are having an amazing conversation with Deborah Edmondson. And the more we talk, the more there is to share, and I think we’re going to talk about services, but before we do, during the break we were talking about the podcast is aging in place for any stage in life and our producer in his forties. And we were talking about if he lives in a village community, yeah. Falls and breaks his leg, is by himself, cannot get to the doctor. Is that something?

Deborah Edmondson (11:27): Yes. Of that village, he can be a member of that village and that village will provide him with whatever services that they have. It just appears that for the most part, it’s seniors that need these services. But if you’re 45 and you’re living alone and you don’t have any family.

Debi Lynes (11:48): Why not?

Deborah Edmondson (11:48): Why not?

Debi Lynes (11:49): See that’s the gift of this whole model, isn’t it? It really. All right. Let’s talk about services. We’ve touched on transportation, which you said is kind of the biggie to quote you, but what are some of the other voice or some of the things that you are.

Deborah Edmondson (12:04): Caregivers. Oh, caregivers. In this County, a couple of opportunities with that. One, there aren’t enough. So we’re working with our local higher education.

Debi Lynes (12:23): Oh like nursing school.

Deborah Edmondson (12:26): Exactly. For training, not only nurses, caregivers, just certified caregivers.

Debi Lynes (12:33): So what would that look like? What that could be a caregiver and what kind of.

Deborah Edmondson (12:38): A CNA. Okay. Certified Nursing Assistant. That’s two years at Technical College in the Low Country.

Debi Lynes (12:45): What a great career too.

Deborah Edmondson (12:46): Okay. but then pay comes into mind. And so the pay level, especially entry-level, it’s not great. And so there’s high turnover because when you can move and have an increase in your salary, you move. So there’s high turnover and there’s not enough to staff the places because you see the construction that we have going on around here and a lot of assisted living facilities are going up. Those facilities that are tied to larger corporations, then they can pay and they have the work. So it’s hard to keep up with the workforce, especially for the independent companies.

Debi Lynes (13:31): Let me ask you a question about caregivers. Because my mom had a caregiver when she had dementia. I found it interesting that very few men, yes. And that most of the caregivers were pretty young. Yes. So what are you looking for? I mean I wonder what criteria folks you all would be looking for for an ideal caregiver? I guess there isn’t one. It just depends.

Deborah Edmondson (13:58): It really isn’t. I mean you’re looking for someone and they vary in the qualifications vary because myself, I have been trying to see how the Coalition can help some of our partners who sit around the table improve the workforce population for them. Okay. And.

Debi Lynes (14:21): This is interesting.

Deborah Edmondson (14:23): Where when we, we had a strategic work session on that and we were really all over the place and the bottom line was talk to TCL [Technical College of the Lowcountry and see if we could send Colleges, I’m sorry. Thank you. What was needed were internships.

Debi Lynes (14:40): And what would that mean?

Deborah Edmondson (14:42): Because when they get certified they have to have X amount of hours training first. And so now your what comes first? The chicken or the egg. And so that was a component that was missing that we said we would try and work on.

Debi Lynes (15:00): What I hear is Deborah that this is a very solution-focused group for B for County and aging in place.

Deborah Edmondson (15:09): We, that’s what we work towards it to be every June we have a strategic work session and we identify initiatives to work on during the year. So the coalition this year has a couple of events coming up because also at our meetings we do presentations for the people who sit around the table. So we’re going to have one presentation is called our fall workshop. Okay. And what is.

Debi Lynes (15:38): A Fall? Yes. Workshop.

Deborah Edmondson (15:40): Falling

Debi Lynes (15:43): Oh I’m giving air quotes.

Deborah Edmondson (15:43): Oh right. Yeah. We see different counties spending a lot of money with the fire department and going out to pick up seniors. As a matter of fact, every time the truck rolls is $500.

Debi Lynes (15:58): We know what’s funny is we had a firefighter come and share with us and that was exactly what he said. His main calls for seniors are false.

Deborah Edmondson (16:08): So this workshop will take place in Bluffton. It’s going to be the end of March. And what we’re going to do is just have some fall preventative measures testing that might need to be done and.

Debi Lynes (16:22): Balance.

Deborah Edmondson (16:22): Balance, different things that you can do to avert falling. So that’s what we’re calling our fall workshop. Then also we found out that veterans and spouses of veterans have a wonderful benefit that a lot of our veterans don’t know about and it’s the Aid and Attendance Benefit from the VA.

Debi Lynes (16:45): What is that?

Deborah Edmondson (16:46): And so if you served during wartime, you did not have to be in the war, you wouldn’t be in Jersey. But if the country was at war in Europe you’re in and it goes up to the Vietnam war and then they are worse there is some more criteria for like Afghanistan and Iraq, but they can get as much as 20 some thousand dollars a year to go towards caregivers or assisted living. And because a lot of veterans don’t know about this. We had the gentleman who coordinates this area to come and speak with us and we’re now going to give a presentation with him sometime in late spring.

Debi Lynes (17:35): How do you all get the word out to the folks and the Beaufort County area, I know that you, you do produce a wonderful resource directory, which is a godsend.

Deborah Edmondson (17:52): All right. And that helps. And it’s going to the new one that’s coming out. We’ll include a calendar of events and so it will have our annual events listed in any other event that’s pertinent to seniors. And we also do PR. And then for the people who sit around the table in the coalition, they use their resources to get the word out as well.

Debi Lynes (18:12): Is church ever a problem, folks who want to participate in their church activities? I would think there again, transportation and accessibility would be a challenge for that too.

Deborah Edmondson (18:23): It is a challenge. And so, I mean if you’re involved with a village, you can get transportation to church services. The village that I mentioned that’s North of the broad actually was born out of a church. It’s their senior adult ministry and they offer seniors they do a health and wellness expo twice a year and they focus on different aspects of senior living. There’s one tomorrow. They’re doing it on dementia and caregivers and so, and then they also offer socialization because disability is in a very rural area. The seniors tend not to be able to get out and mix and mingle with other people, so once a month they try to have something where the seniors can go and participate like the conference tomorrow or maybe they might go take a boat ride in Savannah and have lunch or go to a museum in Charleston and have lunch so they do different things and these seniors wouldn’t have had that opportunity.

Debi Lynes (19:23): Oh my gosh. It’s amazing. I think we need to take a quick break. We’re going to come back on aging in place. Stay with us. We’ll be right back.

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Debi Lynes (20:10): We are back here on Aging in Place Podcast for any stage in life. Debra Edmonson is joined us and we’re talking about aging in place and some of the resources here in Beaufort County in South Carolina, although we’re talking specifically right now locally, really this is a very generalizable model and, and I don’t care in what city you live.

Deborah Edmondson (20:37): It can be replicated.

Debi Lynes (20:38): That’s right. And the issues are the same. Right. And I think again, we’re trying to open, open up a dialogue about things as we age that we may not be aware of. And what Deborah shared in the first couple of segments was transportation is absolutely a huge issue. One of the things we’re going to talk about in this segment is about adult protection. Talk to us a little bit about that.

Deborah Edmondson (21:04): Well, the department of social services at the state level has an adult protective services division. So each of the offices in each County has an adult protective services and what they.

Debi Lynes (21:18): Yeah. What is that and why?

Deborah Edmondson (21:21): Well, because we have a lot of our adults, specifically seniors who are vulnerable.

Debi Lynes (21:26): Okay. So they are considered a vulnerable population like children.

Deborah Edmondson (21:31): Yes, exactly. And so the family group conferencing process in South Carolina started with children and they realize that for vulnerable adults, this would be a great model.

Debi Lynes (21:44): And what does that look like?

Deborah Edmondson (21:46): What that looks like is bringing together for a family a meeting that includes service people. So, and I’ll give you a very good example. Okay. There was a vulnerable adult who had children but they could not care for her. And she had mental issues. She also had physical health issues. And she was in the custody of DSS because her children couldn’t care for her. They didn’t have the qualifications. But what we were able to do is bring together someone from the area office on aging, someone from an assisted living facility them, the caseworker was there. We also brought someone in from a hospice agency and a caregiver agency. So now the family has people to talk to because they didn’t know where to go to get help. Now they have people to talk to and we develop a plan and the plan is very specific person does this activity and they have to do it by this date with an end date. And this plan is then implemented and the goal is to make sure that that vulnerable adult is put into an environment where they are safe. Now that environment could very well be their home, but that might mean we have to get someone in to do some repairs. Okay. So the plans are tailored to that person.

Debi Lynes (23:26): And they are very, very specific.

Deborah Edmondson (23:28): Very specific. And so we had the state coordinator come and give us a presentation and so the people who sit around the table were able to get her contact information and they can provide her referrals. Of people who they work with that they think are vulnerable.

Debi Lynes (23:48): So what I hear you say again here is these are about specific people as it’s not just conceptional, right. Fascinating. From an adult protective services. I never really thought about caretakers not being able to, to take care or family, not being able to take care of someone. But I think that is something to really consider. And I guess adult protective services would also be involved in any kind of senior abuse or money.

Deborah Edmondson (24:21): Yes. Yes, they are. There have been instances where some adults have fell prey to scams or thinking that maybe one of their children were really taking care of them and they weren’t. They were just siphoning off their money. These are all types of situations that adult protective services will get involved in.

Debi Lynes (24:43): Do you find that as you start when you started this, the amount of knowledge that you’ve gained that you didn’t know?

Deborah Edmondson (24:53): Tremendous. Absolutely tremendous. And I’ve been able, I mean the knowledge that I’ve gained has helped me within my own family structure because there was so many things that we did not know about that I can impart to family and imparts of family, friends all over the country. You know, I’m always telling family members and friends who are taking care of their parents. Why don’t you look into this agency? Why don’t you look to your community? So the things that I’m involved here in Beaufort County, definitely I have talked to people about in New York and Alabama and Illinois. In Michigan, they are all transferable services.

Debi Lynes (25:35): Let me ask you a question about actual physical structures. What about things like what am I trying to say? Handlebars or safety bars, things like that. Aren’t those things that you do also?

Deborah Edmondson (25:49): We don’t do them specifically, but the area office on aging and every state has one. You can go to them and they have grant, they have grant money at the area office on aging and the grant money is for things like that, their remodels so that you can so that your bathroom is set to be handicap or if you need lifts to help you get out of bed, there’s grant money for that through your area office on aging.

Debi Lynes (26:21): So when I hear you say again, there are resources available. Part of the issue is getting all of that information out to the public. Yes. And one of the things you said when you came in that was interesting, I think for me Henrik and I think the rest of you all was, it’s not about getting the message out to the patient, if you will, or the client who’s the senior. It’s about the family.

Deborah Edmondson (26:47): It’s about the family. Because children need to know where to go to help their parents, especially if they do not live in the same area. You know, they used to be a time that we all live together, stay together in the same community. Now, you know you can have parents on the East coast and children on the West Coast and they’re not familiar with. Their parents have retired too. You know they were born and raised in New York, but mom and dad decided to move down to Hilton Head and then they can contact the Coalition for Aging in Place. At coalitionforaginginplace@gmail.com. They can also contact the Low Country Council of Governments or whatever council of governments might be a respective state because that’s where the area office on aging, we’ll sit and they can find out about grants. There are grants for respite care so that if you know you’re the caregiver in your family and you’re like, I just need a break. I want to go get my hair done. Exactly what I was. Okay. They were grants that will allow you to, they’ll give you money. It’s small, but it’ll pay for someone to come into the home and stay with your family member while you go to have some respite.

Debi Lynes (28:08): Deborah, this information has been absolutely priceless and I think again, the more knowledge is power and just this, this discussion right now is opened up a whole plethora I think of questions that we can can answer here within this podcast. So thank you for joining us.

Deborah Edmondson (28:26): Thank you for having me.

Debi Lynes (28:27): We want to thank all of you for joining us here on Aging in Place Podcast for any stage in life. Debra, before we go, I’d love to have you again, little shameless self-promotion and if are there any other websites or um.

Deborah Edmondson (28:42): No, I like everybody to be able to access the senior resource directory that we have here in Beaufort County and that senior resource directory.com.

Debi Lynes (28:52): Yay. Thank you all. Thank you all for joining us. Have a wonderful week. Bye-bye. I’d like to introduce you to a friend of mine, Tracy. Tracy is naturally curious and always creative. And when we were doing the Aging in Place Podcast, she said there are so many quick tips that I can think of offhand. My response. Who knew she’s going to be with us every week, giving us a quick tip and to hint. That is a practical application.

Tracy Snelling (29:26): Thanks Debi. Hit your ride. Don’t be afraid to ask family or friends for rides. Search out the senior transportation in your area. There are many agencies that have volunteers to drive you whether to the doctor or shopping. The good side about asking family. You can use the I buy and you drive for lunchtime. Allene but my mother was dependent on others. We made a family calendar on who could take her on what days. It made it easy to plan her doctor visits and shopping when she knew ahead of time she had a ride. Mama’s always happy to have family accompany or and enjoy treating or ride. Who knew we would miss being her chauffeur when she was gone.

Debi Lynes (30:07): Deborah Edmondson provided a wonderful interview today and there was really a lot of information. Perhaps the biggest takeaway is this: There are resources in every city in town in the US it may be difficult to access initially, but keep looking, look for things like a senior resource directory or an Aging in Place Council. Have a wonderful week and thank you for joining us here on aging in place. Bye-bye.

Henrik de Gyor (30:37): Aging in Place Podcast is hosted by Debi Lynes and produced by Henrik de Gyor. If you have any comments or questions, send an email to debi@aginginplacepodcast.com we would love to hear from you if you’re interested in advertising or sponsoring this podcast, email us at pr@aginginplacepodcast.com Thank you for listening to Aging in Place Podcast.